#68 Life By Design
With Brian & Jessilyn Persson
Brian and Jessilyn Persson have transformed their relationship that was stuck, full of anxiety and on the edge of divorce, to one that is loving, fulfilling, and lasting. Working with couples, they share their no-BS practical tips, systems, and principles they used in their relationship to break the repetitive, unproductive, and stagnant cycles.
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Jessilyn Persson 0:00
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I'm happy to introduce you to a power couple that I know who are just amazing. They're doing incredible things, Brian and Jessilyn Persson have transformed their relationship that was stuck was full of anxiety, they were on the edge of divorce more than once to one that is loving, fulfilling and lasting. Working with couples, they share their no-BS practical tips, systems and principles that they've used in their relationship to break the repetitive on productive and stagnant cycles. Brian and Jessilyn know that transforming your relationship will positively impact not only your family, but also your business and your wealth and help you create a life by design. I can't wait for you to meet them.
Welcome both of you Jessilyn and Brian, I'm really happy to have you on the podcast because what you are developing and creating from your own personal experience is something that my audience can really benefit from. And I'm excited to introduce you. So please let us know what has brought you to create what you're creating. I've heard you speak and share this at events. And I just I want everybody to be able to, to hear the story behind your why.
Brian Persson 3:58
Sure, yeah. So we both came from good professional careers. And eventually we kind of I think in different ways we got burnt out by those careers. And what we found after we went through a lot of personal development and and worked on some things outside of our careers, including ourselves and some other businesses was we had couples coming to us and saying, you know how you do it. Like you have a real estate portfolio, you have a business, you had this career, you have kids, you have all these things, and you're somehow holding it all together. And when when, when enough of those questions came in, we started to think like how do we do it? And then through a lot of that personal development, that question always came up, like how do we do it? And in the end, we we said you know what, we share this information because everybody's asking us and so we started to work on another business, the workshop and our speaking and our speaking material. So that's basically how it all came together was just people started to notice that, you know, we we seem to be a really forward thinking put together professional couple and and we just acted on it.
Deena Kordt 5:14
Now, I know you've shared publicly that this was not always the case, what brought you to where you have figured it out what was part of your role and your story that has has led you to be able to manage all of these things in such a beautiful way.
Jessilyn Persson 5:34
So as we've shared publicly before, that we've been together for over 13 years now married, and we came close to divorce in 2014. And again in 2017. And it was through those hard times where we really started putting ourselves into self development, both independently and together, and bringing ourselves together as a couple and as a family. And just figuring out, okay, like, is this where we want to go? What does this look like? And if we're gonna make this work, what do we need to do? So we're both happy, and we're both getting what we want. And we have a life that we both want to be in and love doing together.
Deena Kordt 6:18
So those have been some really tough times, some some struggles, and scary to think that you would get to a point where you're actually contemplating divorce and going your separate ways.
Jessilyn Persson 6:30
Yes, yeah. Especially with two young boys.
Deena Kordt 6:35
What type of self improvement and, and work did you do?
Brian Persson 6:42
So primarily, we just went to courses, probably not dissimilar, longer in format, but and some some of the courses we went to were months long, or our workshop that we're creating is not that long. But the we just went and did the work. And that's what, that's what a lot of people I think don't do out there is do the work. And for some reason, we just knew we had to do the work. And when we went to these courses and listen to the speakers and listen to the things that they were teaching us we we actually brought it back into our house. And, yeah, we we found that other couples who had done the same thing, perhaps weren't bringing it back, it was kind of just that one, one or two or three day transformational experience, and then it kind of ends. And I think that was a big success factor for us is that we brought it back. And we tried to do at least a little bit of the work every single day. And that's that's kind of what we encourage other couples to do, too, is you can't you can't let off the steam, you got to do the work every single day. Well,
Deena Kordt 7:48
I think that's a really good point that you make Brian because it's tough to come back into the situation. And now use these new skills and use this new knowledge and practice it. And to do at least some of it daily is probably very important so that it becomes part of your, your home life. And I think it's encouraging that you both went to independent help and also work together. Because it's really, it's tough, if only one person is invested in making some changes.
Jessilyn Persson 8:22
It is and we've definitely experienced that, yes, I went and did it first. And it took me two years, to convince him to do it. You know, you can imagine one person who's advancing themselves and growing and changing, and the other person is not. And they're also don't understand what you're going through because they can't, right. So finally he went and that's when he got the AHA, and we're able to start to come together to be on the same platform. And then from there, we just started pushing each other. So if one was going to do it, the other would do it. Or we'd do it together. Because we understood how hard it is to be a single partner growing and the other one not even understanding that you you can't even share it, you know, they're just not gonna get it. And how do you come together as a couple if you're not both willing? Right?
Deena Kordt 9:11
And that, that really undermines the work that you're doing?
Brian Persson 9:18
Yeah, like, as she said, she did it two years earlier than I did the same course. And it was that looking back at it, I didn't know know when I was inside of those two years. But looking back, we were basically speaking different languages. You know, she was speaking French I was speaking English and it was very hard for her to communicate and for me to communicate with her because the the languages were totally different. She had, she had learned a new language effectively, and was trying to communicate using that language and, and eventually I learned the same language. And then and then all of a sudden it was like everything kind of became much more seamless like there was no there was no struggle, there still struggle a bit, like, as we as we worked in worked on herself, but, but like we were no longer speaking those two different languages so that that basic communication wasn't a struggle anymore, we could actually communicate and build instead of like just trying to get to like, a ground level where we just heard each other. Yeah, I
Deena Kordt 10:21
think what's really amazing about this too is you become different, better people individually as well as a couple. So you bring that to your parenting, you bring that to your work, you bring that to your friendships and any relationship that is in your life.
Brian Persson 10:39
Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say, the, our parenting style with the boys changed after that, too. Because I think there was a lot of, I don't know what you'd call it, like, a lack of ownership around what should happen to the boys like, you know, you should do the disciplining here. And I should do the discipline in there. And then once we have that same language, and once we were kind of on the same page, and able to actually work through our issues, the parenting with our boys with our two kids, really changed, because now we were both equally responsible for the parenting. And there was a lot more. There's a lot more ownership on both sides for us to not only take on our own responsibility with kids, but also, you know, bring over things that she wanted with the kids and vice versa. I hurt her to take on things that I wanted for the kids. Yeah,
Jessilyn Persson 11:34
and I think one of the things I appreciated about our parenting style coming together is through the the learning that we did, I think we both realized that you always can take a step back. And so we also came together in a in a point where I wasn't afraid to call him out like so if he disciplined in a way that I may not have agreed with. I mean, obviously, I wouldn't probably do in front of the boys, because then they'd get take the advantage. But beside like this is I didn't I didn't agree with this, and here's why, then we could discuss it, and then we take it back to the boys or change it for next time. Whereas before, I think it would just be more like, okay, just move on with your day, and you'd let it go. And maybe it would fester, maybe you wouldn't agree, maybe the boys would see just in our facial expressions or whatever, that mommy and daddy aren't quite aligned. But to be able to call your partner out if you really don't agree with it. But again, we also believe in, if you're going to call something out, come with a solution. Don't just call it out and let it drop, you gotta you know, you want to be supportive, and help the other parent because they may just not have seen what you did.
Deena Kordt 12:43
That's amazing. You actually answered the question that I was going to ask is how you've seen this in your family and what that has changed? What a beautiful legacy to leave your sons to learn these skills into how you're actually modeling what you hope that they can do with future relationships and a family? Yeah,
Brian Persson 13:03
yeah, I think we would have been a lot less supportive of our kids in the questions that they asked us and that thing, and, you know, probably got into those things like that, if we didn't have that, that development between our ourselves and, and our relationship. And she, she actually said something, you know, how we would take something away and discuss it, and what I've found is that we actually do that a lot less now, because things are so open and so transparent. In the relationship that we kind of, we almost don't have to take it away from the kids because they, they they know how it operates. And so you don't have to hide any of the operation of, of your relationship or your family with with your, with, in our case with our boys. So they kind of get to see like the actual mechanics of of the relationship working as compared to you know, I remember my parents, I don't remember him ever discussing or talking about anything, it's just kind of they came to you one day and they had a whole bunch of extra plans. And you as a kid, you didn't really know how that went down. Right? But I don't think our boys experience a whole lot of that we kind of openly discuss most everything in front of them. And I think they get some benefit in just knowing to be more authentic. Just seeing that right.
Deena Kordt 14:22
Credible not only more authentic, but learning communication skills and that there doesn't have to be drama, you can disagree without being ugly. And you can work through these and and I love that you mentioned Jessilyn about having a solution. That's huge.
Brian Persson 14:40
Yeah, yeah. I'm more the solutions guy. So like I generally would, would try to fix some some scenario. But yeah, it's very important to not just come up with a complaint but also a Uh, sometimes the solution is actually just working through it with the the your partner, right? Like, you don't have to actually have the fix on in hand, if you if you're coming with a complaint, but there's a willingness to generate a fix between the two of you.
Deena Kordt 15:14
And you're entering into these discussions now on the same page, where you realize that if there is a complaint or a disagreement, or maybe some discomfort in what they have seen happen, that you already know, there's an opening for working towards a solution.
Jessilyn Persson 15:32
Yes, yes, a safe space, where you don't have to worry about offending someone or them taking it wrong. It's just almost like, you get to space, I think, or at least we did, where you just fully understand your partner has your back good or bad. And when you can get to that trust level, because it is a trust level, then you know, you can be open and it's not going to come back at you, however it may have previously.
Deena Kordt 15:59
So what I love with what you have learned, you have put so much effort and time into getting to the place where you are now. But you are now creating a way for others to benefit from that. And that takes a lot of work to something like this, and to offer that and, and just to share the vulnerability of you know, it takes a lot to stand up in front of well, I saw you in front of 150 200 people tell us that you had been close to divorce twice, in fairly recent history. And you know, that's takes a lot of vulnerability and, but it also adds so much credibility to what you're offering people.
Brian Persson 16:37
Yeah, I think it's important to not really hide some of those details and make yourself look sort of invincible in front of other people, I think that's kind of the natural tendency for humans is to just really make themselves look strong and always looking good and not and you know, never looking bad. But the, like I said it, it takes away from the credibility, you're kind of putting on a mask, and then people don't really know what to think of you. Whereas we actually lean on on that stuff. Because we know we've been there. We know what it looks like, we know what the other side of that situation can look like once once you do the work. And once you actually get through it. So we really encourage others to think like, hey, it might be bad for you right now. But like, you know, do the work, get get yourself and your and your partner on the same page. And keep and keep that wheel turning. And eventually, yeah, you'll you'll be where you want to be. But a lot of people I think get stuck in in that, that illusion that they like nothing's ever going on wrong with their life. And, and I think it just it takes the power out of some relationships. Yeah, yeah.
Deena Kordt 17:53
That's a good point, Brian, because I think we do try and put that mask on. But we ended up fooling ourselves. And then we stuck. And we aren't looking for a way to heal, because we even have ourselves convinced everything's fine. Now, can you tell us more about this program that you have developed that you're developing or have developed? Is it launched ready to go? Yeah,
Jessilyn Persson 18:16
so yeah, it's developed. I mean, obviously, as we learn and grow, we'll always add to it. But our first workshop is in January, here in Sherwood Park, where we live on the 13th. We are also launching our own podcast, life by design, where it is literally the two of us right now at least. And we're just sharing openly different things we've gone through and how to help other couples get through things. We're launching that in January as well. And that is our way of, but we want to give back. So how do we give back, you know, little bits at a time to help people and then those who are willing to take that step, then we can work with them in the workshop to go through, again, different scenarios. We're covering everything from like, agreements to responsibility and ownership, to choice, acceptance. These are some big topics that people I don't think, appreciate what they are and how much value they can bring to relationship. Like something as I'm going to call simple wasn't Of course, we didn't know before it but agreements, right. So we have agreements in our relationship everyone does. It's just sometimes it's a default, as opposed to a choice. The agreements you have, like, you might just have an agreement that your spouse picks up the kids everyday. But is that just what that default then he just happened to do that? Or did you actually discuss it and it you're both mutually okay with where that goes. And so we have many different agreements, but one that we have that I think we both really love is we agreed to always push each other. So it's no longer one of us is sore and the other ones just hanging around because that drags the one who wants to go down. And then you're just again, not on the same playing field. So now it's like if we see either one of us kind of sitting, I don't know, just kind of like, meh, we're good. It's like, nope, we've got more to do. There's more in this world to give, there's more to create, there's more for boys to see. So we just keep pushing each other to constantly grow and move in the world. Yeah,
Brian Persson 20:17
so so like that agreement that she was mentioning, basically allows for criticism within the relationship. But without without any kind of negativity around it, right, the agreement is, is that I'm responsible for making sure you grow and you're responsible for making sure I grow. And we need to help each other to point out any weaknesses or any gaps that we see in the relationship and in ourselves. Whereas I think a lot of relationships just default into, don't tell me how I'm wrong. Because I know we were there, we were there at a point in the past, right. And I think that that just kind of shuts down the communication. So we sort of more formalized agreements, almost like in a in a business structure between our relationships so that they're not just kind of like default agreements. And they're not just sort of there where you kind of know that there's something in the relationship, but there's nothing really clear about what what it is, and you end up stepping on landmines that you didn't know, were there right.
Deena Kordt 21:29
Now, there's a couple of reasons I'm going to delve into this a bit, and the landmines you mentioned, but also because November is domestic abuse, domestic violence awareness month. How How would you address what would you say to, to that, to couples that maybe have seen some red flags or need to deal with something like that in a relationship?
Jessilyn Persson 22:00
I think, of course, is going to be dependent on the relationship. And I mean, there are just some situations where you, you need to get out. I mean, and I been there, I understand that. But if it's a relationship where you know, it's workable, and you're both willing, then you need to speak up and stand up. And I know, that's not easy. And I'm saying that from a female's perspective, generally, I am grateful that I became, and I say, became strong enough to stand up for what I believed in. And if that meant divorce, so be it, I was willing to go down that path at that point, because I've been through enough to go, No, this is my life, I get to choose. And then that's, that's a, it's very scary, because you don't know what's on the other side of that. And it could be divorced, but you got to be willing to accept both ends of the equation. So if you do choose to go down a path, you need to be okay with wherever that path goes. And I think so many of us are scared to go down that path that we just live. And then we don't love our life, because not where it wants to go. And I find also I can also be I speak with a lot of women, because I'm in many different groups with women for empowerment and stuff. And I, you get to a point, or at least I did, where I saw, I knew I had a vision, what my family what my life was like what my family was like, and I could see things for Brian, that he couldn't necessarily see. And I think a lot of women also can see that and maybe maybe the husbands as well. But they're too afraid to tell him too afraid to push them.
And I pushed. And that wasn't always pretty. But we wouldn't be where we are if I wasn't willing to step up over the ledge and go, No, this is what I see for you. And while there were struggles, and we definitely share stories of that. We're now at a point that even this year where I said, you know, I think you should try out this, it was a course it was more specifically for men. I said, and I said, Because I see where you're stuck. And I don't know how to help you. And you just went okay, and he signed up. Whereas before, it would have been a fight for maybe weeks, months. But we had to grow together together to realize that firstly, it's okay for me to speak up. He trusts that I see something he might not. And I'm doing it for a reason. It's not just because I want to fix him. It's like no, I know you're struggling here. We've talked about it. I don't know how to help you. But I think maybe this can help you or this book, or maybe this person having a conversation. And I just don't think we go out on a limb far enough to help the other person or explain ourselves as as let your partner know that. I'm here for the good of both. I'm not here to put you down and be above you. I'm not here because you're wrong. I'm here because I know there's growth and I can see it.
Deena Kordt 24:52
So to have the bravery I guess to envision what you're hoping for your life. If and if it's not there, then speak up or get out. And, you know, be willing to, to take that path. And, and know that there's something better. That's out there. Yeah. When is your workshop? You said January?
Brian Persson 25:20
Yeah, a couple of months from now. On January 13th.
Deena Kordt 25:23
Okay, we'll include that information in the show notes. So people can sign up for that. Is it online?
Brian Persson 25:30
No,this one's gonna be in person. Yeah. Okay. We have an online one. We will not coming online.
Deena Kordt 25:37
Okay, okay, well, we'll, we'll keep that I can always update the show notes and go back and add that later, when you have all the registration information, you're actually going to be presenting at one of the online divorce resource groups coming up in January as well, I believe on the night. So if any of the listeners would like to have an opportunity to come on to those, those are free and open to the public, they're there online. And that way, they can ask you some questions and talk to you and meet you. And find out if your course and your material is something that would be a fit for them. And just to learn more about, you know, what you've developed for them, I think it's, it's just amazing that you're willing to, to be there for people in that way. It really shows your heart of caring, what a beautiful gift you've created for people out of out of your own pain and your own growth and healing. It's really commendable. And I thank you for, for doing that. On behalf of of everyone, you're going to bless with this. Thank you. Now, what else is coming in the future? Another book Jessilyn.
Jessilyn Persson 26:49
We want to definitely get our course launched online, just because we know there's a need for it. And we just can't do it all locally, right? And also timing not everyone can make our course ideally would be a full three, if not four day workshop to really get everything out of it. But we know that's not always realistic for couples. So the one we're doing in January is a day, we're doing a full day. And then yeah, I'd say keep up with our podcasts we're gonna get to on social media a lot more now as well to just start giving out, you know, tips and share some tools and techniques we use in our relationship to have helped us grown and just kind of expand our reach. And then once we launch online, ideally, I don't know I think at some point, we might write a book together.
Brian Persson 27:46
This is the first I've heard of it!
Jessilyn Persson 27:51
It's coming.
Deena Kordt 27:52
She has a vision, Brian for what you're capable of!
Brian Persson 27:55
Yeah. So one of the things that I that you don't know about being married to an author is that everybody also expects you to be an author.
Deena Kordt 28:04
Really? Kyle never had that experience? No.
Brian Persson 28:11
Yeah. As soon as she became an author, everyone, everyone was coming to me. It's like so when you write in your book, I haven't even thought of a book yet.
Jessilyn Persson 28:17
He will.
Deena Kordt 28:19
Yeah, yeah, I'm certain he will, I'm really excited. Congratulations on the new podcast that's coming out. That is going to be just fantastic. And the course that you're launching, you know, this is it's a passion project, when when you put your heart and soul into it like that. And, you know, kudos to you for recognizing that it's something that could very much benefit people, especially when you've actually had other couples ask, you know, what is your secret? What have you done? And you know, how do you answer all of that, like you said, it could literally be a three or four day course. It's not just a couple sentence answer to people. So it's amazing that you've built this for them.
Jessilyn Persson 28:57
Thank you. Yeah, we did have a lady approached us. And she was just one who watched us speak back in October. And she actually had to, she was crying. She had tears. And she was just thanking us. She said, Because she finds that when relationships get hard, the first thing we roll to is divorce. And she goes, you're showing hope that there are other alternatives. It doesn't always have to be divorce, it's almost becoming the norm is not working, let's get divorce. And we're like, Well, no, it can work. And here's some tools on how and we're here to help you. So she was just very thankful that we're coming out with solutions that aren't necessarily divorce or counseling, because I know some people aren't keen on direct counseling either where this is more, because we're obviously not counselors. We're more hey, we've been there. We've done that. Let us help you work through it.
Deena Kordt 29:51
That's amazing. And I find that too, because I've published Divorce Magazine. I'm not condoning, promoting, or encouraging divorce. It's to offer resources exactly like what you are doing to people to give them hope that they aren't alone. If you are looking for resources, there are some that can help you maintain and improve that marriage. And Brian and Jessilyn you are, are definitely epitomizing that so congratulations on all that you've developed and really excited to see what happens in the future with you.
Now on closing, I'd like each of you to, say, a piece of advice or encouragement that you would give to someone, what would be your top, you're just meeting them in an elevator or an office and and they have some struggles, what would you what would be just a quick go to piece of encouragement or advice that you would offer to somebody.
Jessilyn Persson 30:51
So mine would be to trust your instinct, because you will no matter what your brain tells you, you know, intrinsically in your heart, in your your gut, whatever you want to call it, trust it. And don't be afraid to follow it.
Brian Persson 31:05
For me, it's a is reach out and talk to somebody. I think I think it's maybe a little bit more important for men, because men kind of try and solve the the problems on their own. But I've watched Jessilyn do it like tried to solve the problems on her own until she maybe talk to me or talk to some of our girlfriends. But too often we get stuck in our heads. And we try to solve those issues. And you just go in circles and you end up going to a sometimes not a very good place. Because you're just frustrated that you can't get anywhere. And for me anytime I've gone there. The ease that comes out of the situation, after I've talked to somebody is just like why did I not do this earlier? And so that's my advice to almost almost anybody I mean is like who can you talk to? Who can you bounce ideas off of? Is there anyone who can listen to you? properly, right? Like sometimes sometimes people aren't receptive to listening to you, you just but you gotta go out and find somebody that can help you out. Because chances are you can't do it. Do it yourself. Yeah.
Deena Kordt 32:14
Wow, that is pure gold. Now Jessilyn you're speaking exactly. My top advice that I I love to give is follow your instincts. And I'd say that, you know, for years, I've just absolutely. I love that. That was your piece of advice for Brian, you really surprised me. And I'm so pleased with that. No serious that anyway, especially like you say, men do struggle with that. But a lot of us do, too. We think no, you know, especially if you're an entrepreneur, I might, you know, identify with that as saying that's tough. You're you really want to prove yourself, you are afraid to ask people for help. Or as a mom, or there's so many places that that sits a lot of people where we just we don't we feel it's a weakness to ask and to speak up and ask for help. And you know that impostor syndrome comes up and all all of those things. So wow, really pure goal. Thank you both for sharing those, those final thoughts of encouragement and really appreciate you being here today. We'd love to have you back again. And of course, you will be presenting as keynote speakers in our event on January the ninth. I encourage everybody to please join us for that all the links will be in the show notes, all your contact information. And once we know more, we can always add more links so that people can find out. Find your podcast once it's launched. listen in to more of this beautiful advice and caring.
Brian Persson 33:47
Awesome, thank you.
Deena Kordt 33:51
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